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“Survey” about baseball changes

For those who play Auto Leagues, I’m curious to hear reaction to potential changes. (Please note for custom leagues, you’ll always have the option to keep things as they are.)

1. Fire was originally created when we had fewer stats in the database, and its main design was to help low-average power hitters have more value against a slew of great pitchers. Likewise, it helped power pitchers who maybe didn’t have the best WHIPs but were nonetheless extremely effective. These players tended to struggle in PC leagues which are loaded with the best talent of all time.

Now that we have WAR, I’d like to offer WAR as the value of fire. (Or maybe WAR+2 or something like that). This would largely reduce how often players are on fire (which has been a trend more and more people have asked for) and it would make fire based on actual real life value rather than an arbitrary value that favored power.

In addition, we could then have Fire potentially impact defense as well, or we could base Fire on oWAR rather than full WAR.

2. Much like sims of the past, PC has never punished players who didn’t play a full season. But with the rise of recent players like Olsen and Carpenter, this has become far more of a problem than it ever was before. Custom leagues have used Endurance, but Endurance was designed to encourage some bench usage and more realistic substitutions, not as a way to truly control smaller sample sizes.

Some league concepts I’m considering are really going to require better handling of small sample sizes. Therefore, I’m considering an option that would start to punish players once they go over their real life usage. I would probably design a gradual degradation such that the more you overused a player the worse they would become, with it resetting for the playoffs. This would add some real strategy as you could still draft a Matt Carpenter but you’d have to decide when to use him, and stash him for the playoffs if you felt that was worth the cost. You could essentially eliminate minimum requirements. Auto Leagues would likely retain some minimum but Custom Leagues could do some intriguing things like allow super low stats players that could be used as ringers in just a few games.

As part of this feature I would also offer better control over daily lineups. You’d be able to preload specific lineups for any game.

I’d be interested to hear if people would want to see these in Auto Leagues, or if they prefer the low complexity Auto Leagues currently have. (And just to note, it’s unlikely I would offer both old ways and new ways - it’s too hard and confusing to offer Auto Leagues with endless permutations, I need to keep Auto Leagues consistent.)
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I like the thought that went into all of these ideas. Also, its always good to give the pot a good stirring once in a while. It forces those who've 'broken a code or two' a challenge to step up their games.
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I like the idea you proposed about changing the formula for “fire”. That seems more realistic .

As for degradation of performance for players with great stats but low real life usage (I.e Matt Carpenter) I think I’d prefer something more obvious … for instance Carpenter might get injured for 50 games instead of 8. I think having these players incur a higher likelihood and/or severity of injury would still apply an appropriate penalty. Babe Ruth should be a higher draft pick than Matt Carpenter in an All Time Greats league !!
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@theo that's interesting comment, since that's how basketball and football currently handle it, by making the player more risky with injury.
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I think the injury idea is a great way to handle it. Definitely creates a lot more risk if they are drafted early.
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The part I like is being able to set different lineups for games. That would add to the day to day realism. I also like the idea of diminished performance when a player exceeds his stat line.
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I'm in favor of both of these
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Definitely would like to see some kind of change to deal with the 2022 Matt Carpenter types. I like the idea of a degradation. Not sure if you could set something up where degradation ONLY happens with hitters that had less than say 400 "real life" season at bats? 500 maybe? My point being in that case guys who were "regulars" in real life could still play a full 162 games and not have their last 20 games of the season be where they degrade. Or yes, as an owner you would have to rest them off and on to be sure they were good to go for the stretch run, but that does become less user friendly for guys who like to "set it and forget it".
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I'm always good with what Guy does because I know he tries to make this a great website, which it is. Thank you for all you do Guy!

Since you are asking for input:

1. Fire, I'm fine with whatever you do for that. (I really don't look at Fire when I consider a player for drafting or picking up).

2. Olsen/Carpenter. I'm in no leagues with Olsen (at least I don't think I am lol). Overall, is it really many players with low regular season games stats that have production similar to Olsen/Carpenter? If it is only a few, I feel if you're lucky enough to get that player on your team, it is the same as landing Babe Ruth (you don't get him often, at least I don't). But if this is a concern with many owners, then I think one way to avoid this problem is don't even have these players available in any of the leagues. But if this change is going to be implemented, it needs to be very obvious in the players stats that his performance is only for a limited time or will go down over time. If you use the increased days out with injury, that also needs to be in the stats and obvious.
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The “Carpenter effect” is something that should find a solution - but it’s tricky. I benefitted from Matt Carpenter ‘22 immediately, and frankly by accident… after 3+ seasons of hitting 55 HRs…. Alright, this is silly, too much like a cheat code if you’re lucky to grab this simulation of a player that doesn’t really exist. Stats are stats, but the context of a full season is pretty important in this kind of competition and scenario. A usage limitation or risk factor is reasonable for a 150-AB superstar…. Carpenter Effect or Fred Beene Phenomena…. Or whatever you choose to call it!
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I’m never opposed to change but we don’t want to loose sight that “set and forget” is very important to a lot of us in auto leagues with up to 30 teams or more. I myself just don’t have the time nor energy to manage multiple lineups for multiple teams. Hopefully we can incorporate changes in a manner that would keep auto leagues auto in nature.
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I will offer that I would prefer the idea of greater injury risk rather than performance degradation for the short term players. In real life, that is usually the reason for these outlier seasons.
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I love the ability to punish over usage
Will only add to the realism

I like Fire , I hate it when a true superstar is just is so far below his numbers that it makes it no fun.
Maybe Fire can only be used based on a certain number of at bats or innings pitched .

Thanks
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I like both suggestions, always up for learning something new 🙂
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I admit I’m a set and forget guy. But I do like the idea of these Carpenter/Olsen types having longer injuries.

Either way Love the work u do to keep it interesting.
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if your Real life BA was under .220 in the season being used, you shouldn't be eligible for Slump Buster either - you are not slumping
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Hi Guy,

Thank you for soliciting feedback. I'm supportive of both changes #1 and #2: replacing Fire with WAR, and adding an endurance reward/penalty. Those both sound great!
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Regarding “fire” I don’t pay a lot of attention to it but what effect would it have if you removed it all together?

As for endurance, what if we could pick an “alternative” (3rd) lineup for our team, that the SIM substituted in randomly throughout the season and/or we could create a depth chart for each position where the SIM substituted in random starters throughout the season.

I don’t have time to check each team more than 3-4 times each season. Set and forget is a manageable system as long as you are allowing 75 teams.
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Not being critical of anyone here , believe me I'm not but lets don't do away with a more realistic style of play just so I can play 30 teams at once and not check them more than 3-4 times per season.
It's more fun for more realistic numbers even if it takes more time and effort.
A certain percentage of people like auto leagues better than custom leagues for the sheer reason of not having a commissioner , no chance for changes you don't agree with, but still want the most realistic game they can play. I truly believe if Guy feels like these changes will help the Auto Leagues , then I'm all for it.
Thanks again Guy
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I like both proposals. The more realistic the better.
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Yes, this is definitely intended to get a broad range of opinions. Injuries is certainly a lot easier for me to implement than a degradation system.

I hear both sides of the "set it and forget it" concern. I am largely a set-it-and forget it type because I don't have a lot of time, but I also assume it's going to be harder for me to win, as it should be.

But we all have lives, and it should be manageable without a LOT of intervention. I'll have to think about that - baseball is tricky because the lineup matters, unlike the other sports where you can just rotate someone else into the game.

Maybe instead of daily lineups, there could if an "if this player is injured" lineup.

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If we are going to do the punishment system, I was thinking something like being able to create a certain lineup when you're facing a team over .500, over .600 and also under .500, and under .400. Then you could have a guy like Carpenter or Olson in the lineup only for the most important games against the best teams.
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I'm totally in favor of changing Fire to be based on oWAR.

For the fatigue thing, I like choices, but I really don't want to change lineups daily. in auto-leagues. I also like hidden gems in each season, rather than having everyone chase the same players even more.

If there's going to be penalties for playing a hitter beyond their real-life at-bats, I would hope that penalty wouldn't apply in the playoffs, as there's a long tradition of such players having a huge impact in the playoffs. (e.g. FRod)

I would also ask how this over-appearance penalty would apply to pitchers, who already have pitch counts and rest regulating this. Especially relief pitchers.
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I like all of the ideas with the possible exception of the stats decline. That one seems a bit ambiguous in terms of understanding its practical application and how it effects day to day game play. Like others, I’d be more in favor of higher injury risk or simply reducing endurance to 2 or 3 games. Really like the idea of increased lineup flexibility. And the general idea of just shaking things up a bit overall to shift the comfort zone. Thanks for asking
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I’ve read all these posts and haven’t come across any unreasonable ideas or suggestions. And I’m a biased “set it and forget it” guy as I’m always in the max amount of leagues. I’ll go along with any changes made because I love the site, but I’m really not looking to complicate the auto leagues. The whole point of an auto league, especially quick draft, is that it’s relatively low maintenance.

But I have one question that I haven’t seen asked?

Is this a real problem that needs to be fixed?

Olsen and Carpenter (and Rhys Hoskins) are anomalies. There’s so few of these types of players, and we all know who they are, would it be so terrible to just leave them as quirks in the sim? Or if there’s a ton of users who have problems with their production, just lower the amount of plate appearances eligible to qualify for the leagues and eliminate them entirely.

Their existence never felt like a problem to me. IMHO.

Edit: I missed WorcWarr’s post. He did suggest that Carpenter and Olsen were not huge problems that needed to be dealt with. Props where props are due.
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I would love to see AB thresholds raised in auto leagues. Make it 200 or more and get the anomalies out. Carpenter is not an ATG, shouldn't be in the league. Would also like to see IP's for SP's up too in some league. 2021 DeGromm just hits the minimum and is the best SP on the site, in spite of being constantly injured in his career.
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Yeah, I have to agree with RREEBE916 on this.
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It’s a fair question. I’m bringing this up because I’m working on a new league style. But if all this is unnecessarily complex, the new league could simply have a higher minimum AB requirement and eliminate the nerfed players altogether.

These guys typically are not in ATG pools anyway. They show up in Fav Teams or single season leagues or in some cases best of decade leagues.
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I absolutely love there changes. Especially fire. Guys like Grove and Feller will get a fire boost now.

For ATG player pool: what if it was the top X players by WAR? That would keep short season guys out and make sure all the true greats are there.
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I like realism where great players (Aaron, Mays) have seasons that reflect their career stats and not-great players with abbreviated anomaly seasons (Carpenter) have stats that befit their careers. I don’t want to have to micromanage my teams so I discourage the injury or degradation ideas. Just leave those players with low at bats off the league roster or adjust their rating so they have decent but not Ruthian stats when extended to a full season. Some players with low at-bats have proven themselves worthy of having great full season stats (McGwire, Bonds) so I would hate to see their seasons degraded.
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The ability to set lineups in advance for specific games would be a MASSIVE improvement in my opinion. In my leagues that use endurance I try to set lineups as much as I can but it's really hard to keep up. The opportunity to go in and set the lineups for a week or two at a time would make it so we can optimize our teams even when we can't be on PC 24/7.

I'm another vote in the camp of thinking the Carpenters and Olsons of the world don't really need fixing. They actually did put up those numbers and exceeded the minimum playing time. It seems like it's only hitters that people complain about, so maybe the minimum AB threshold just needs to be raised. Would the contemplated changes like increased injuries or degradation in performance also impact pitchers who barely met the IP threshold (like 2021 Degrom and many 95-99 rated RPs in ATG leagues)? I would not be in favor of that.
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I think these are great suggestions, using oWAR for fire is a plus.

I love the idea of a degradation beyond the actual AB threshold.

If it proves to be too hard to get right, increasing injuries is a nice compromise.

Appreciate you always being thoughtful and looking for meaningful tweaks to improve the experience.

As many others have stated I’ll go with whatever because I love PC and the community. I’m not considering these “problems that need fixing” but I do see them as opportunities to freshen the list of “who is valuable” as it may end up bringing some really quality players back into relevance in a way they aren’t now.
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Always appreciate the improvements. I'm more basketball than baseball, but there are similarities for sure.

Will these be across the board changes to the sim? Including the custom leagues? Maybe a choice for commish to use with or without endurance factors if that is the way it end up? Would be nice to be able to keep Carpenter and Olson as big time stars in leagues that allow it. Maybe it isnt realistic, but it sure makes it fun seeing owners find these statistical happenings. (Like Rhys Hoskins, didn't know about him)

I recall when we lost Darrell Armstrong from Playground, it was crushing (well, kinda), would hate to see Matt Carpenter and his sim legacy disappear like that. So i vote for keeping these player seasons available.

The punishment in hardwood basketball for that Carpenter type of player really changes his worth, a great example is Giannis...top player, but the guy doesn't play full seasons, so you have to watch the team closely. If you are a set and forget owner, you are taking a huge chance with him.

That is the tough part of the decision...injuries in baseball automatically substitute, but degradation of play wouldn't sub without owner making change.

Keep up the good work gbacci, Can't wait to make a podcast in regards to this subject! Just gotta find where Breuer_elbows is at.
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All for changes. Degradation would be great. Devin Schneider will never hit 72 home runs, I contemplated packing it in because of how unrealistic this was and I kept losing to teams with Olsen, Schneider and Matt Walner.
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I would like to see something where players who played partial seasons be more injury-prone in simulations. I like the degradation of talent for overuse of players to make a more realistic simulation. I would also like to have a larger draft for a bigger minor league team to pull from. 25 players on the MLB roster and 15 in the minors for a 40 man roster would work well with realistic injuries and pitcher usage. A deeper roster, more injuries and players getting tired will get more players drafted and used and should create more realistic simulations. Just my opinion. I don't know how difficult it would be to implement these changes.
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That sounds great. I think Carpenters hitting 90 homers takes away from the authenticity of the game. I like platooning players, and your ideas would definitely encourage that. I think War is a great stat and should be over valued because we are talking about all time greatness and these players should stand out. I hate seeing Ty Cobb hitting 280 or Ruth hitting 260
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Just my opinion, but if a player only has X amount of Games Played he should not get a pass into the playoffs-either your used up or you aren't

A team gets say Olson and Carpenter, uses all their games up regular Season and then unleashes both at once in the Playoffs? How does that make any sense? and the same way we get a popup up when a guy is injured, you could get a notice when a Guy needs Rest - if you are " Too Busy" to check it, too bad, good management SHOULD count for something after all - if you just leave a guy in there to degrade, you deserve to lose
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I am fine with whatever you want to do.

If you decide to deal with the "Carpenter" problem then one thing you could do is remove him from the leagues where he does not belong. Such as the 1970-present league and anything other than the specific season that is causing the problems. He was not someone that a great season worthy of inclusion in the first place.


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Thanks for all your thoughts and the work you put into PC. I would prefer to keep it as is.
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I think we need to remember that the foundation of this site is the ranking of players based on individual season performances. Realistically, Norm Cash’s best season was better than Willie Mays’ best season. So he’s better on this site than Mays. Is that realistic? Not really. Is it fair? Yes, based on the parameters of the site. Baseball history is loaded with statistical anomalies - Hack Wilson, Roger Maris, and Brady Anderson are just a few of the famous ones. The Olsen/Carpenter problem is an easy fix. Just push them out by increasing the AB requirement.
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Couldn't agree more with previous post...ATG for me is all time best seasons, not best 2 months like Carpenter. I love Cash, who had a great season, as did 1968 Dave McNally, who otherwise wasn't much. So would love to see thresholds raised. Forget going crazy with injury settings and EN for anomalies, just threshold them out.
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You cannot do the AB idea. If you push him out what happens next year when Trevor Story has a 1.200 ops though three months of the season..... say 200 at bats. The bar will just have to keep changing. The only way to fix it is to have injuries.

I am against change in general and always have been. If you make it difficult to do the set it and forget it then why am I running 75 teams right now? I will just use less teams as will others which will have a secondary effect of not filling teams. I love this site how it is and I wouldn't change a thing but I defer to gbacci because every change that has been made since I've been on here has been a good one.
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Franchise

I have been pushing for this for years but since this thread is out there I would really like the site to offer different variations of franchise teams. I know...it's hard to find what's best and I know....that's what custom leagues are for. Well, I still would like to see this feature whether it's 5 teams or 3 teams or the years change. I will probably never win this argument but I still want this feature added and would like it to be considered.
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All great ideas but I will never complain about any changes - this is the best website for SIM games I've ever been a part of and the only one I use now and never see that changes!
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I should have specified.

The AB qualification should be highest for the ATG leagues, and can get progressively lower through the era leagues, decade leagues, and eventually the individual year leagues.

There’s a place for these outlier players. Just not among the all time greats. And an increased injury probability in the leagues that they do qualify for is a very reasonable idea.
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I think Mr Bacci said it, not sure

If you created a new league type with all these changes, and left the other leagues the way they are. That’s a winner for all involved
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Gotcha. I think another added factor for going with the injury idea is that there is always some small chance they don't get hurt and people like myself who wonder....what if only he had been able to stay healthy. Maybe just maybe it could have been a historic season. So you essentially appease both people sick of seeing the Carpenters of the world consistently dominate but you add in the slim possibility of him staying healthy all year.
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A lot of great input here and I like how there has been a diverse range of opinions expressed without folks belittling one another over their disagreements.

I like the idea of FIRE being replaced by a more quantifiable statistic.

I see both sides of the argument re: outlikers like Olsen and Carpenter. Hopefully everyone will be satisfied or at least accepting of how Guy chooses to address things on that front.

My only small quibble is with those who say autoleagues are, by definition, 'set it and forget it' entities. I may be in the minority, but I like fielding just a handful of teams that I can follow on a game-by-game basis while playing the role of manager/general manager and better experiencing the ebb and flow that takes place over any given season. If I were to field 70+ teams, to me it would defeat the purpose of why I'm here. Just saying and no disrespect intended to those with another perspective: we're all entitled to tailor this site to our preferences and one of the wonders of PC is that it's not one-size-fits all.

Vive la difference and play ball!
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While talking of change for auto leagues, how about slump buster changed to a maximum number of games a season? I like the idea behind slump buster. But to have an ATG be eligible and then put on slump buster for too many games can be unrealistic as well when he takes off.
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I'm pretty new here and I don't have a clue what that fire thing is, so I'm not sure about a lot of this. I'll just say that I thought that players were somehow limited by the number of ABs they had and was surprised that that is not true. Thinking of the guy talking about Norm Cash is better here than Willie Mays because it is based on one season, how then is Carpenter better than almost everyone when the season does not approach that level? I admit that I am more of a long-term performance person that focusing on just one segment, but that Cash comment and Carpenter problem really point out an issue in this format. If I were designing these auto leagues, (and I have no clue how to do that) I would base the single season ones on a single season, the 10-year ones on 10 seasons and the Era-type ones on whole careers within the era. Probably too much work, but I would like that better.

That said, I am really enjoying this site so I guess you know what you are doing and don't need my advice!

Arlo
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Would it be possible to add a platoon where the
LHB starts against RHP and the RHB starts against LHP and a certain percentage of RHP?
And vice versa?
Could be set by percentage or against #3-5 SP only..., not the aces?
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"While talking of change for auto leagues, how about slump buster changed to a maximum number of games a season? I like the idea behind slump buster. But to have an ATG be eligible and then put on slump buster for too many games can be unrealistic as well when he takes off. "

It's funny Jim because it USED to be LONGER

When I first started Slump Buster it was for 90 days - that's entire Season - It was then reduced down to 30 Days- However, if while in Slump Buster for say 6 days your average still hasn't gone over .220 you can reset it it and gain back the days you already used- NOT COOL - It's circumventing the rules,

Secondly, a More reasonable Slump Buster length should be no more than 7-14 days - with a max of 2 Slump Buster eligibilities a season - and no " Restarting"

a VERY simple help would be to dial back these outlier guys FIRE - you shouldn't get a huge Fire # along with Slump Buster, in a Big Boosted park for a guy with 203 AB that season, UNLESS he gets capped somehow to reflect his actual Usage - I don't know how the current system would work with big injuries though, if you had a SS who played 135 games, you could get him injured for 27 at once - but once you hit your MAX games played you should have the potential for a Season ending injury, just like in real Life

But the SIM might not have a setting to prevent a guy getting injured for more games than he actually missed, not sure on that one
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I love all of this. I'd be interested to see how these changes impact things. I know I've probably made decisions in the past that would impacted both positively and negatively by these changes.
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I would love a simple addition like home vs. away lineups. That way, if I want to take advantage of a short porch in my home field and bat all lefties (or righties), I can also have a more balanced lineup for away games without having to check who I'm playing everyday. Thanks for listening to suggestions and for making such a great game!
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Why not .100 points below your real average ? Too complicated?
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Reduced Endurance: Instead of playing x games before a day off; maybe some guys get x days off before they can play a game. Maybe?
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One last thing, What is the Criteria to be in All Time Great Leagues?

I originally assumed it would be the statistically best players at their positions, over a minimum amount of qualifying Seasons, but later determined a bunch oh guys, like say Joe Horlen didn't have the body of stats to qualify under my original thought, outlier years, like Horlen had, can get you in.
What is the actual criteria?
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It is clearly about an ATG season more than career.

Few examples off the top of my head of great seasons without careers in ATG:
1968 Dave McNally
2013 Andrelton Simmons
2013 Carlos Gomez

Pretty much sums it up…
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I think all of those ideas would make for a better game!
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Another thought is: what if you play the leagues you like, and don’t play the ones you don’t like? There is something for everyone here, as is. Try different leagues and stick with what works for you.
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Agree 100 pct. I think it's funny that I've never once seen somebody complain about winning a ring . But if you lose , the game is broke , it's a conspiracy , etc. etc.
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I really trust Gbacci and the veterans of this site. Those users who have been around for a while with thousands and thousands of games played have such a vast experience with the sim. That makes me value their opinions. Thank you for them. I pay attention! lol.

Not to take away from the newer users. I am glad as more come in and offer input to their experience on the site. Great to see.

I can't wait to see what happens here.
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I would like to see these changes be optional in Auto Leagues, simply another type League, we recently got Random players and that has a following, not mandating a change for all.
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Is this game broken ?

I dont think so.

Why thinking about so many impactful changes ? For 2 players Olson and Carpenter ?

I believe tweaks are needed as far as involving roster depth in games ( endurance being used, so Catchrs gets a break once in a while)

I also believe that the biggest weakness here is the running game...
Unreal why a 30 SB player becomes a liability when trying to steal bases with.

This is by far, by a mile, the biggest flaw to be addressed.

Anyhow the same who have been adapting over the years will still do so for years to come despite of the changes, while many others requesting those changes will still vanish.

I am from the breed who want's to know if Ken Phelps (Bill James being his biggest advocate of a HOF being snub) was playing 162 games, what the result would be !

This is what is cool about all of this, you can derail the course of usul historic leaders by using the underdogs to you desired pace...

What if Carpenter continues his hot streak with the Yanks, what if Olson 24hrs in 150 AB would stranslate over 400 + AB.

I can carelless about people wanting to change the whole game because of Matt Carpenter and Matt Olson.

I want to used those hidden gems.

It jst reminds me in the old days, I would sort the Ron Kittle, The Ken Phelps, The Ricky Jordan, the Luis Medina, and used them to inahilate opposition !

This player hit 10 HR's in his first 134 AB.,but never got a real valuable chance to prove himself...

https://www.baseball-reference.com/..
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Re: “Survey” about baseball changes

Thanks everyone for the great discussion, and for keeping it civil and respectful. Lots of interesting themes came up.

Changing Fire seems like a general win, although not earth shattering, which makes sense.

I'll have to give more thought to the other issue. Since I have such limited time, I hate spending it on something that is not as big an issue as I may have thought it was. That said, handling the issue via injury risk is easier than my original idea. But I may back-burner this issue for now.

Some people still do want more lineup control. That's something I can keep on the to-do list.

At any rate, you've given me a lot to think about. Regardless, I think folks will be excited about the new league concept. Hopefully it's not too far away.
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I think pushing the Carpenter/Olson thing to a later date makes sense. It seems like the users of the site are pretty evenly divided on that issue so it's hard to make a unilateral decision. Maybe the way to go forward with that in the future would be to handle it like how you have some leagues that are keepers and some that aren't. You could have some with realistic AB limitations and some that are wide-open. Handling it using injury does seem like the simplest fix. I think all of the C&D games I've played do it that way.
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My only problem with Carpenter (I am less familiar with Olson) is that he should not have been included in some of the leagues he was added to. For me, that is the 1970-Present. Olson was not added to this league, why was Carpenter?

In the case of Carpenter, if you are playing a 2022 league then he needs to be included and there is a case to be made for seeing what a full season would be like.

I would not include him in any Best of 2020's leagues either
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I have one request/suggestion. It's a bit tangential to this discussion and I have no problem with the site the way it is. I kind of enjoy the Carpenter/Olson/Rhodes/Giles/deGrom/JR Richard/multitple RP's quirks. And I pay little attention to fire, so I'm fine with any modification or elimination of it. My request would be to create an ATG league based on career stats - so obviously no one-season wonders would unduly impact or even qualify for such a ATG league.
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A deeper look into Medina shows he had 6 HR in his first 56 PA. 13 total hits. the other 7 were singles. .309 OBP.
His 2nd season 4 HR in 89 plate appearances. One double in 17 hits. Striking out 35 times. .205, .258, .361,.620 slash line. That's why he didn't get more of a chance.
I think the issue with Carpenter/Olsen types of season is that small sample size doesn't project out to the same pace over a full season. That just isn't how baseball plays out. Hot streaks and cold streaks. Neither of those guys IRL would have broken Roger Maris' record if they played a full amount of AB that year.
Olsen is an excellent hitter. Not a record breaker though.
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On the subject of fire/slumpbuster , maybe you should make it like the training in basketball where you have a choice of 1 out of 5 players every 4 games or so. I think that would keep it even for both teams only having 1 player each hot and would add more strategy.
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Re: “Survey” about baseball changes

In 2022

Matt Carpenter's in only 47 Games was good for 2,4 WAR.

Anthony Rizzo, despite playing 130 G, was only good for 2,3WAR.
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You realize Maris never had a season like 1961 before right? Who is to say they couldn't have?
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As long as the '' Lick my Balls '' nicknames claiming a uselless 1990's D, Starwberry are going to be the one listen to, to fix the flaws on this website....it will be spinning in the mud.

https://www.pennantchase.com/lgTran..

This website is for me a gem, but there is 2 problems to fix

1) Visibility ( you deserve way more attention)
2) running game, it is a huge flaw here...

When accepting more the feedbacks of less savvy and unexperienced sim game people... it makes me thinks.

At one point I am surely evaluating if it is worth more to spend on Strat-O-Matic or OOTP...

Trust me G.Bacci. I Think you created an undervalued powerhouse...

Please Don't let unsavvy people opinion takeover...

Cheers to all.

But at one point, I am surely thinking about leaving for other sims who stick to their guts...
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Why are you complaining , you have 500 rings on this site , good for 5th all time in auto leagues , and your 12th in wins , whats the problem ??
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Exactly Bubbles, and I surely like you personal attack!

Do you think these are handed for free to me!

I am putting in my input. Chew it, taste it, spit it...or take as it is to improve.


I had to learn, underdtand some maths, play these games for more than 40 years...

Born and raised and love my Expos here in Montreal !


I win in Strat, Ootp,etc.

I can runover anybody in Strat...I surely can here !!!

I am not complaining... I am earing rookies who wan't's to succeed from the starting block ! Complaing while I am a 40 to 50 years sim games user... ( and I have the sense to understand that folks like Sheik can surely school me also !!!)

I surely had to learned back 30-40 years ago...

I will adjust ! they wont! And you clearly won't either at your age!

This is at one point natural selection !

If you wan't to eat it, while I lack of of diplomacy, here you go : ..I..

Fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee !!!
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Re: Re: “Survey” about baseball changes

I wasn't going to close the thread because it hadn't gotten testy, but I guess now I can. Folks, see my last reply above, for now we can close the discussion on this topic, and I do thank everyone for the feedback as it was truly helpful - while not everyone is going to agree on everything, there was surprisingly a pretty consistent theme as I mentioned above. And that's why I ask these types of questions, because I don't always know the true pulse of what people want.
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